PakRatJR

Living with a non rooted phone...how to adjust.

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I have had rooted phones for so long I literally can't remember the last phone I had that wasn't rooted.

 

Rcently my rooted LGG4 up and died on me. I went back to my G3 rooted and set about finding a replacement G4.

 

Finally found one new for a great price. Sadly it has Marshmallow on it and it seems that pretty much every one I am going to find in good condition will already be "upgraded" as well.

 

After many hours of searching it seems that not only is their really no proper root for Marshmallow in general, it also seems that their is no hope for it ever, at least for us cellular anyway.

 

So here I am with a nice shiny new G4 with no root and I am scratching my head somthing fearce trying to decide what to do. Do I just stay on my G3 with root or set up the G4 and try to learn to live with stock?

 

With the way things seem to be going with anroid in general, root seems to be getting less and less doable with every update. If I decide to try to live with a stock phone, do I stay with the G4, which I did like but liked MUCH better with root, or do I break down and buy a actual new phone....most likely the V20....since I will probably never be able to root again anyway, and hand the G4 down to a family member for a bit of a upgrade.

 

For those that went back to stock phones after root, what did you do to adjust. How did you learn to live with stock again....no more ad block, no more Titanium backup, no more "usability" tweaks....I am freaking out a bit LOL.

 

 

What to do...

 

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Personally I would just assure myself root capabilities prior to purchase - but that's me.

I wouldn't be able to bring myself to use it without adaway (or the like) - which requires root.

Additionally, bloat. That was the reason I rooted to begin with back in the HTC Merge days. Bloat is a no-go on any device, if I didn't put it there, then they better let me remove it.

Beyond that I could live without it. But until they stop forcing bloat and ads, I'll either not upgrade or stick to a line that I know full well will have root.

Again, that's just me.

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Bloat and ad block were my reasons for rooting initially as well way back when. I did mess with roms a couple times early on as well, but was never impressed enough to stay with any of them. I was perfectly happy with stock rooted.

 

I had kinda forgot how long I actually had the G4 and never even considered that it might have been "updated" being that it always seemed kinda rare that we ever got much on that end. It wasn't until I had it in hand that I found out about Marshmallow.

 

The V20 does sort of have root but only on specific models ad it's a tad sketchy it seems, but as usual, no root for us and best I can tell will never happen =- I am not a fan of Samsung and haven't actually looked into them at all. I had actually seriously considered the Nexus 6P but used ones are still going for way more than I am willing to pay for a used one, and no sd card kinda kills it for me anyway.

 

My G3 is a bit more "quirky" that I remember it being but I can stay with it for now. I have more reading to do to see what is still available and rootable but their don't really seem to be a whole lot of good options anymore.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hehe...I run into that also. Find a no root option for something, get all excited and the find out it is only for a specific phone or it only works on wi-fi or something. I am looking around again for no root options for a few things right now and am starting to run int that again.

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Hehe...I run into that also. Find a no root option for something, get all excited and the find out it is only for a specific phone or it only works on wi-fi or something. I am looking around again for no root options for a few things right now and am starting to run int that again.

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The latest Magisk does not require custom recovery to install and have root. You do have to have a stock boot.img and the ability to flash it through download mode or fastboot or whatever LG's version of that is. Google "Magisk 14.0" and check out the official XDA thread to see if it'll work for you

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Well I now know what it is, but I see that it's only for the S8.

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Others have tried it with different phones and it worked. Not sure which phones though

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Looking into the Magisk option over the last couple days.....and I think I hit th information overload point lol

Being that it has been a couple years since I had to really "work" at a root solution....I did at one point know how to do things like getting boot images and whatnot, but with soooo many threads and posts on xda and sooo little for us cellular in general lately, I am pretty much lost to say the least

It looks like Magisk should be what I would need but at this point it might be a while before I will be able to give it a try.

I will defiantly need to do a lot more reading and sorting through things.


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On 9/23/2017 at 0:44 PM, PakRatJR said:

Looking into the Magisk option over the last couple days.....and I think I hit th information overload point lolemoji16.png

Being that it has been a couple years since I had to really "work" at a root solution....I did at one point know how to do things like getting boot images and whatnot, but with soooo many threads and posts on xda and sooo little for us cellular in general lately, I am pretty much lost to say the least emoji20.png

It looks like Magisk should be what I would need but at this point it might be a while before I will be able to give it a try.

I will defiantly need to do a lot more reading and sorting through things. emoji4.png


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It seems that Magisk won't be an option for you.  Since the LG G3's stock firmware comes in those KDZ files, there isn't really a way to flash JUST the stock boot.img (kernel) after doing the Magisk workaround.  :(

 

I looked around to refresh myself with LG G3 modding stuff, and I found this thread:

 

https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/orig-development/bump-unlock-lg-g3-twrp-d852-d852g-f400-t2900614

 

And then I saw this post in that thread:

 

https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=72968531&postcount=821

 

You'll have to do some more research, but it seems to me that you can use Bump! to get around the locked bootloader and install a working TWRP recovery.  First you'll have to use Kingroot to achieve temporary root (you'll have to look into this), then downgrade just the bootloader to Z04 (also look into this), then you will be *closer* to root.  At least you'll be able to flash zips and modify system files through TWRP.  I'm not sure how something like SuperSU will work with the Bump'd TWRP, but there may be a workaround somewhere out there.


Hope this helps get you going!

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On 9/26/2017 at 0:02 PM, BoгИX said:
It seems that Magisk won't be an option for you.  Since the LG G3's stock firmware comes in those KDZ files, there isn't really a way to flash JUST the stock boot.img (kernel) after doing the Magisk workaround. 
 
I looked around to refresh myself with LG G3 modding stuff, and I found this thread:
 
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/orig-development/bump-unlock-lg-g3-twrp-d852-d852g-f400-t2900614
 
And then I saw this post in that thread:
 
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=72968531&postcount=821
 
You'll have to do some more research, but it seems to me that you can use Bump! to get around the locked bootloader and install a working TWRP recovery.  First you'll have to use Kingroot to achieve temporary root (you'll have to look into this), then downgrade just the bootloader to Z04 (also look into this), then you will be *closer* to root.  At least you'll be able to flash zips and modify system files through TWRP.  I'm not sure how something like SuperSU will work with the Bump'd TWRP, but there may be a workaround somewhere out there.

Hope this helps get you going!

Thanks. I do have my G3 rooted. I was hoping I would be able to find and use something like this for the G4 but it seems the more I look and read, the more it looks like it is not possibe to root a US cell G4 with marshmallow on it.

Everything I am finding it seems, even with something like bump, still needs to have a lollipop downgrade for actual root and it is looking like basically any "new" G4 I would be able to get will have a version of marshmallow that can't be downgraded.

I am basically at the point now I think where I am trying to decide if I want to use the G4 unrooted or just go and pick up the V20.

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Well, I guess i will be learning to live with a stock phone for a while. Went and got the LGV20B)

 

Will definitely be some getting used to. So far it is going "ok". Not installing ad block and titanium backup was a bit strange, and having tings like file explorer telling me "no root" was a bit cringe worthy lol but we'll see how it goes =) 

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I understand what you are dealing with PakRat as I have had root since the First galaxy s phone with eclair on it. I recently upgraded to a note 8 and it is a really great device but without root its a little lacking without adaway and Titanium. While it will probably get root eventually I probably won't see xposed on it but I can live with that as I only really used the wanam and YouTube ad blocking modules. On a side note I did find a firewall that works without having root in the play store made by Grey shirts. It's great for blocking apps you can't get rid of without root from accessing mobile data or wifi. Also for apps you use that don't need data access but will access it anyway you can block them as well. The app is older and it hasn't been updated in a while and it even says it doesn't work on LTE networks but I can confirm I have been using it since yesterday and it has been working on nougat. I just figured if you were stuck without root for a while this would be something to make it a little easier.

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I understand what you are dealing with PakRat as I have had root since the First galaxy s phone with eclair on it. I recently upgraded to a note 8 and it is a really great device but without root its a little lacking without adaway and Titanium. While it will probably get root eventually I probably won't see xposed on it but I can live with that as I only really used the wanam and YouTube ad blocking modules. On a side note I did find a firewall that works without having root in the play store made by Grey shirts. It's great for blocking apps you can't get rid of without root from accessing mobile data or wifi. Also for apps you use that don't need data access but will access it anyway you can block them as well. The app is older and it hasn't been updated in a while and it even says it doesn't work on LTE networks but I can confirm I have been using it since yesterday and it has been working on nougat. I just figured if you were stuck without root for a while this would be something to make it a little easier.

 

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Thanks. I will look for that.

 

So far I have actually been a tad impressed with this phone without root.

 

One of the features I used a lot on previous phones was the dual window. The problem tho was the only two apps that I actually used wouldn't come up as usable without root. That really had me kinda bummed, but surprisingly dual window with those apps actually works on here without root.

 

For the ad block so far, I have a couple apps that have the banner ads on them but only one of them is really used regularly. I am just having to be a bit more conscious about where I have my fingers when I use it. lol..

 

 

 

 

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Well since the device you're using now is newer hopefully root will eventually come for it.

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